link 1, some arguments from both sides
link 2, arguments mainly favouring the US
Now sadly I can't translate all the comments, but Google Translate offers a good translation nowdays. Lemme just copy and paste some of the most upvoted views by people favoring the US
WARNING: VERY LONG, SO IF YOU WANT JUST SKIP THIS AND READ THE ORIGINAL COMMENTS!
” Your title is misleading, if you ask if European welfare is better than Aramco, it must be. But the welfare of the United States is worse than that of Europe, which does not mean that the United States is a depression. Behind the high welfare you see are high taxes and robberyrichThe middle class helps the poor. As a result, the development of high-tech industries in Europe lacks vitality, and those who want to make money run to the United States.
Talking about the crime rate is inseparable from talking about gun control, which has risen to the core value of the United States, and has little to do with the system itself.
It requires both industrial vitality and welfare, and equal income for engineers and cleaners. Communism doesn't dare to do that. After all, Aramco is still the most tolerant and easy-to-integrate country for immigrants. This is known from the data. “
” It's true that welfare in the US is not as good as in Europe, but I'm more worried about British disease by comparison.
In 2019 before the epidemic, the gpd growth rate of France was 1.5, the UK was 1.4, Italy was 0.3, Germany was 0.6, Sweden was 1.4, Switzerland was 1.1, Finland was 1.3, and the US was 2.2. The per capita GDP of the US is still the highest, and the US still has to To increase military spending for NATO, Trump has always wanted to engage in isolationism because he feels that he has given too much money to Europe. I think you Europeans are too comfortable and owe Russia an iron fist.”
” The United States is much higher compared to most European countries in terms of per capita income and median income. Those who like big government must not want the United States, and those who like to protect labor interests can immigrate to North Korea. “
” 2020 GDP per capita, US: 63544, Germany: 45724, UK: 40285, France: 38625.
The “large gap between the rich and the poor” in the United States is because there are too many rich people. There are many more Fortune 500 companies in the United States than in Europe, and CEOs earn too much.
To put it badly, a poor person in the United States can reach the standard of the middle class in Europe. My friend works in a bank in the Netherlands and gets 2,500 euros a month. If you are in New York, you can get food stamps.
And the social welfare you mentioned, the poor in the United States have free Medicaid, the elderly also have free Medicare, 20% of New Yorkers have food stamps, and many companies have 2 weeks of paid vacation. In Canada and Norway, it is because the family has oil to maintain high welfare. In the United States, it is not bad. Although the welfare is a little worse, the tax is low.
Another major reason is that the public opinion environment in Jane and China, staring at the negative reports in the United States, is relatively friendly to Europe, giving people the illusion that the United States is bad in all aspects.”
” Let me just say, have you really been to Europe who are envious of the high welfare in Europe? Have you ever actually made friends with Europeans and went out to play? Their life is really tight. When they go out, they can take the bus instead of the train, and they can walk and never take public transportation. Every time I go out to play with them, I have to walk five or six hours a day. Going to Paris to play an eight-hour bus ride to Paris at twelve o'clock in the morning, and an eight-hour bus ride back at night just to not spend the night in Paris. High welfare also stifles people's enthusiasm. Anyway, it is the same to do more and do less, and everyone will rot together. And the salaries are completely incomparable to the United States. Then the problem of refugees is not solved. Every day, a large number of refugees with low quality and high crime rate flee to Europe to enjoy the benefits created by the European people. Just like Fela's unbearable appearance, how dare you touch porcelain with the United States? If it weren't for the U.S. imperialist covering you and being manipulated by Russia, Europe would have ceased to be the center of the world, and sooner or later it would have fallen. “
“Let me say one more thing, Europe is a more “socialist” place than the United States, but if you want to say that I am rich, I feel that the existence of this system in the United States is necessary to maximize the efficiency of productivity, because Only “inequality” attracts the best talents in the world and leads the development of science and technology in various fields. In other words, the future is in the hands of the United States. The prerequisites for high welfare are few people and rich innate resources, which is not suitable for most countries. a sustainable option”
” Europe is too poor to compare with America
Isn't Europe poor? The per capita GDP of the United States is almost twice that of Europe, and the national GDP of France is not as good as that of California. Europe not only has low incomes, but also high prices. The recent Russian-Ukrainian conflict has led to ridiculously high energy prices in Europe. Reddit says that inflation in the US is high every day, as if Europe is higher.
On the Internet, I have seen many people who came to the United States from Europe to find work, including Chinese and Europeans. Running in the opposite direction, I can't say no, but there are a lot less, and many of them are Chinese and Indians who can't get the identity of the United States and have to go to Canada, Singapore, Europe, and a springboard to return to the United States.
Isn't this post comparing the US and Europe? What does it have to do with me? “
” Fake Eunuch District: A group of people disenfranchised by the Communist Party is better there to study and rule China for the Communist Party
True Eunuch District: A group of Chinese born in China and studying in ivory towers are there to research what kind of life is more suitable for them for real-life Americans and Europeans
Some tips:
In the UK, 4 million people want to immigrate to the US (2013): https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/03/22/a-revealing-map-of-who-wants- to-move-to-the-us/
Since 2017, a total of 2.7 million people from Western Europe have immigrated to the United States. At the same time, only 690,000 Americans have immigrated to Western Europe, and the population of Western Europe is only 30% larger than that of the United States:
https://mises.org/wire/3-times-many-europeans-move-us-other-way-around
It's better for eunuchs not to visit brothels. Puxin men can be promiscuous anyway. The eunuch could only think that the feeling of ejaculation was similar to that of Xi Jinping playing football. “
” Define happiness first, is Musk happy? Are there people as happy as Musk in Sweden?
If the United States is a native turtle, then why are 50,000 Swedes immigrating to the United States every year, while only 10,000 people in the United States immigrate to Sweden every year? Are those Swedes who immigrated to the United States about to be expelled by your eunuch?
In addition, the income of Nordics in the United States is twice as high as that of Nordics in Europe. If America is a native, what are the Nordics who earn half as much as their American relatives? Turtle in Turtle?
Finally, I want to ask my dear little eunuch, do you know even a European? Wouldn't the understanding of Europe come from obscenity on the Internet? Get out without talking to the Europeans, and people like you owe Xi Jinping's rule. Long live Xi Jinping”
” High prices, high taxes, low income, low freedom in Europe, dogs are not waiting “
” I really don't know how many people have actually been to or lived in northern Europe. I've only seen transfer from Sweden to the US, never the other way around. Reopening the Nordics is just a stalk, and taking this seriously is pure hilarious.”
” The poor people in Europe are only half the size of the United States. What are you pretending to be? Mississippi has $38,000 per capita. There are several European countries that are stronger than Mississippi.”
” The life of ordinary people in London is no better than that of Shanghai. The eunuchs do not know any Europeans in reality, and even Americans do not know any other than classmates and colleagues. Take the United Kingdom as an example. The British are now fleeing to Australia and Canada more than the United States. You can say that Australia and Canada are stronger than the United States. Old Europe has been rotten by the left and turned into a socialist country. What else is there to say.
The problem is that Australians and Canadians have also been fleeing to the United States. The British have fled to Australia and Canada more because the British have fled to these two countries, and the Swedes have basically all fled to the United States. The United States is a net immigrant country to all countries in the world, and voting with its feet is the most accurate.
Six times as many Canadians immigrate to the US as Americans immigrate to Canada: https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-many-more-Canadians-45-000-immigrate-to-the-USA -each-year-than-people-from-the-USA-7-500-immigrate-to-Canada-Are-there-more-opportunities-economic-or-otherwise-in-America“
” I was identified as a proletarian waste, thinking about how to rob other people's property all day long”
” Great Britain can't touch the United States, let alone the Old Continental Europe?”
” The United States is not without benefits all day long, and I think it is far more reasonable than Europe.”
” All over the world, Chinese people are madly touting the Nordic countries. The convenience of living in Nordic countries is zero. The Japanese feel that life is dull and uninteresting when they come, and they pack them back as soon as the contract expires. Japan, South Korea and the five Nordic countries are exempt from each other's visas, and in the past it was a matter of a ticket. But I have never heard of Japanese and Koreans trying their best to stay in Northern Europe. Not to mention the bad weather, fuck it, there's not even a shabby place in southern Italy with the abundance of goods and services. The world's richest and most immigrant inflows are still the five countries of Ansar.
Nordic infrastructure is very poor, the streets are extremely narrow, and there are no toilets on the streets, but there are train stations, but you have to put coins, starting from ten yuan. The so-called high welfare in Northern Europe is nothing more than free medical care and paid maternity leave. Not to mention the free medical treatment, the disease that does not die immediately can't even get in the door. The security environment is also very poor. In recent years, northern Europe has introduced a large number of refugees, especially in Sweden, the number of refugees exceeds one million, and the population with foreign backgrounds reaches 3 million, while the total population is only 10 million. There was a firefight on the street for three days, either by throwing grenades or machine guns. Drugs were rampant. Not to mention ordinary people, even the police did not dare to go to the refugee gathering area. If you don't believe me, you can check what no-go-zone is. The primary school classes are basically Somali, Afghan, Iraqi, and Syrian children, and the university classes are basically Indian, Bangladeshi, and African students. Letting children go to this kind of environment is dangerous, not to mention that it really lowers the lower limit.
People who have never been out of China will yearn for and tout Northern Europe. If Northern Europe is really a paradise, people from Eastern Europe and Russia would have already run over there.”